I chatted with an indie rock band Ocean Flaws from Essex, UK, about new EP, “making it”, Internet oceans, creating songs and few more things. Read whole interview below:
Peter Balkus: Your new EP “Dancing To The Fear” is out now. So let’s talk first about the fear… What kind of fear it is?
Alex Pattle (percussion): “I feel like there’s more of a notion of being driven by fear on this EP, as opposed to succumbing to it; ‘Mojo’ and ‘Silver Screen’ are about seeing people you know going in a certain direction and wanting to break away from that, perhaps out of fear of being lost in the vast field of bands out there, or getting sucked in to the modern, fame-hungry attitude that we see a lot of people around us enveloped by. The title track (“Dancing To The Fear”) sort of concerns fear in a relationship – not knowing where you’re headed or what’s right in that situation, but trying to confront it head on, as opposed to letting it consume you and best you. ‘Like a Fool’ is less directly linked, but it’s about being messed around by people – whether it’s a friend, a partner or even your boss at work, and so although thematically it’s slightly separate from the other songs, tonally there’s still a similar focus on disappointment, which also crops up in the others tracks to some degree.”
PB: You mentioned fear of “being lost in the vast field of bands out there”. That’s very true there is a LOADS of new bands available online. Competition is tight. Is a passion to make music bigger than the fear of being lost in the ocean of new bands?
Alex Pattle: “The passion definitely outweighs the fear, and anything else really – doubt and other difficulties that may arise. At the end of the day, we all harbour dreams of making it ‘big’, some of us since we were kids, but the more you play music (in our experience) the more you discover that there’s an insurmountable joy that comes from writing a song that you yourself actually like, and would buy and listen to as if it were any other artist. That, coupled with the unique feeling of playing with other musicians and particularly getting up on stage and playing in front of people – there’s nothing in the world like it – makes you realise, that’s why we do it; because we love music, and enjoy playing together. Of course we also have the drive to take this as far as it can go, wherever that may be, and we have belief that we can ‘make it’, but the passion for music will always be primary.”
PB: What do you understand by “making it”? Get signed by a major label?
Sean Heaney (guitars): “Everyone has their own idea or assumptions towards ‘making it’ in the music industry. Whether that be getting signed by a major label, going on constant world tours, playing arena / stadium shows or just simply having the luxury of recording and releasing music as and when they please. My idea of ‘making it’, and I’m just speaking on behalf of myself not the other 3, is to have this as a permanent career choice. Where we can wake up and not have the worries of having to make it in on time at an office. We’ll have the freedom to write, record and tour whenever we want without any problems or worries. Not everyone who’s signed to a record label can have this as a permanent career, there’s loads of cases where band members need second, even third jobs to get by. The band will seem like a hobby to them. I’d like this to stop being a hobby and start becoming a career.”
PB: Your music is interesting and songs are catchy, so sooner or later it should pay off. My favourite song of your at the moment is “Silver Screen”. That song especially, but also other from “Dancing To The Fear”, sounds so Brit-pop and at the same time it sounds so 2016. Is that your plan to combine tradition and freshness in your music? Or it’s not planned and when you create song you don’t know what’s gonna come out?
Callum Quirk (vocals/bass): “Thank you very much, that’s really nice of you to say! Whenever people mention their favourite song off the EP, ‘Silver Screen’ always pops up time and time again. It’s interesting you mention Brit-pop being an influence though, we never set out to sound like or be a Brit-pop band. We all grew up listening to the likes of Oasis, Blur and Pulp and we’ve always appreciated their ability to write huge, sing-a-long choruses, so that aspect of Brit-pop definitely comes into our music. We always try and write the biggest chorus we can for the song. Our main influence in ‘Silver Screen’ we feel came from Foals. When it comes to writing the actual song, we never really plan it out beforehand, typically never works out the way you want it to. We like to get an A section (chorus or intro), jam around on that for a while, then try and see how we can get a B section and so on. It’s always a lot more fun not knowing where you’re going to go in a song beforehand, makes you think more creatively.”
PB: Callum said: “When it comes to writing the actual song, we never really plan it out beforehand”. Does it mean next EP from Ocean Flaws might sound much different than “Dancing To The Fear”?
Hamish (guitars): Well I’d say the fact that we don’t plan it means that we don’t have a concrete idea of how it’ll sound. But, once we get there we’ll try to keep it similar to this EP, because after a few years together, we’ve finally found our sound, and maintaining consistency with that sound is one of the most important things now, in order to be taken seriously.
PB: You are from Essex, UK. Does your music sounds Essex in any way?
Alex Pattle: “I’d say that there’s a culture in Essex that is hard to describe if you don’t know the area, but we don’t really identify with that culture. Even lyrically, we sort of reject that culture to some degree. Maybe best not go in to it (laughs).”
PB: Are you planning to do more live shows or rather focus on working on a new music in studio?
Alex Pattle: “We’d like to balance it I suppose; summer will provide a number of gigs hopefully, we’ve already got one lined up that we can’t talk about yet, but we’re looking to start writing and recording the next song, or EP, whatever it may be, as soon as possible.”
Sean Heaney: “Writing a whole EP drains you creatively, so we’ve only just gotten to the point where we feel we can start writing again!”
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